I sometimes wonder as to what it is with us Indians and the concept of vegetarian food being holy? I was never able to comprehend and probably never will. At least we Indians were supposed to be far advanced in Science(not technology) than these westerners were. For example we were aware about the Heliocentric theory a couple of millenniums before even Galileo Galilei was born or the continent of America was discovered. Similarly our mathematicians had the knowledge about the significance of 'PI' or the Pythagoras theorem even before the dumb white western world(Barbarians) knew about fire. We built cities when people in Europe wandered in the forests. So my logical conclusion is that our people must have known that plants had life too, more than a few thousand years ago.
It is difficult to say when this lunacy started among us. At least the Mahabharatha says that the Brahmins of that age had food that was of animal origin(meat not milk!). So the question is, when did the so called 'Hindus' make this startling discovery that meat was impure. It is believed that, it might have started sometime during the time of the Guptas when there were many reforms in the Indian culture. It is also believed that these reforms came into existence (read as forced onto people) in order to either counter or compete the growing Jain and Buddhist popularity.
What ever it was and how ever it started, I do not understand the logic behind these mysterious ideas. There are certain other interesting things as well. I'd like to list few of them here:
- The so called strict vegetarians refuse to eat food that is cooked in the same vessel that has been used to cook meat. A funny corollary to this fact is that even people who usually eat meat, keep separate vessels for cooking vegetarian food and non-vegetarian food.
- Even people who eat meat, strictly cook only vegetarian food during special poojas and festivals.
- Some of the so called strict vegetarians consider Onions & Garlic as impure too. Some are believed to even change the sacred thread
* after consuming onions. - Some even consider touching an egg as unholy.
I once attended a course on meditation and the instructor told all of us something really ridiculous. He said that eating meat was a greater sin than eating vegetables. He went on to say that the lesser sin committed by eating vegetables could be overcome by performing meditation thrice a day. Now what would I say? If he had said something like, meat causes some physiological changes in the body which are not suitable for someone who is beginning to learn the art of meditation, that would have made sense. But his answer was ridiculous.
According to me, a few perfectly valid reasons for being a vegetarian are:
- I don't like meat.
- I don't exercise much. So I can't digest meat. Therefore I think being a vegetarian is a good idea.
- My medical condition does not allow me to eat meat.
- I am bored of eating meat.
- There is no meat available in my town.
- My religion does not allow me to eat meat.
- I was born a strict brahmin. So I have to be a strict vegetarian (Your thoughts and deeds determine whether you are a brahmin or a shudra and not what you have on your plate).
- My parents asked me not to eat meat.
- I pity the animals that are killed for meat(plants and vegetables are also killed. I however agree with the idea of Fruitarianism).
It is surprising that our country, once a center of Mathematics, Astronomy and Science is now tied down by beliefs like these which benefit our society in no way. I have really come to believe that everything follows a sinusoidal pattern; after every big bang, there is a big crunch
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I am an total agreement with Harish. To comment on vegetarianism:
1. Do not eat anything that can move around physically by their own will! However, happily go ahead and devour the poor living beings which can't even run or fight back in their defense...pretty sadistic I must say!!
My family is pure vegetarian...and its coming from a Marwari guy in whose family even eating from the same plate which has "non-veg" is considered to be a sin.
I do not believe in this classification of vegetarianism and non- vegetarianism. I think its a farce. What could be a more logical classification is based on the type of diet they constitute. Just as we, among "vegetarians" classify potatoes as high in fat and carrots as high in fibre, a distinction can be made between the "non-veg" and the "veg" food with respect to their dietary constituents. And then to eat the "food" would be a decision made by the "eater" based on what would suit him or what he would want.
No offence to anyone who is a vegetarian (btw even I am a vegetarian BY CHOICE), I think that is what it is if you strip the facts down to bare reality.
Not surprised with this coming from you !! But hey I disagree with u on the last 'invalid' reasons for not eatng meat - Killing Animals -> that probably is one of the biggest reasons which has put out 'non-veggies' and forced them to take up vegeterianism.Try being there in a slaughter house or watch a goat being forced into the slaughterhouse.Not to mention, all the medical facts & findings which corroborate the health-advantages of being a veggie.
PS: Oh I remain a hardcore Non-Vegeterian anyways :)
The thoughts brought by Harish are very relevant to the present society. I would like to correct some facts about the religious reasoning about non-vegetarian food.
Before everything, I would like to quote something what Lord Krishna said to Arjuna, "Just like the donkey carrying sandalwood on its back, knows only the weight of the sandalwood but does not realise the fragrance, the same is a brahman, who knows all the vedas, but does not understand their significance".
So now the thing is the brahmans, who claim themselves to be brahmans do not understand what brahmana is. Now coming to the religion, the meaning of word religion is to connect with god. And people have forgotten the meaning but use the term. So they do not understand the meaning of the term they use. Hinduism, as Harish rightly said, evolved out millions of years ago. And as such there is nothing called "hindu" in our vedic scriptures. Hindu comes from the river Sindhu. And again as pointed by Harish, people during those times used to eat non-veg food. The rishis also used to non-veg food. Infact there were some rishis who used to eat humans too. So why in the name of religion the vegetarianism started. It started in Kaliyuga, and now we are in Kaliyuga. Mahabharata is timed to have happened in Kaliyuga. Let us not bother much about the happening of Mahabharata. So Lord Krishna had understood, that the people in Kaliyuga are going to lose themselves on their mind. They are going to be more greedy, incompassionate, lazy, not-intelligent, unhealthy, lower life span and desirous of lots of material aspects, and go away from compassion, truth, cleanliness and control over mind and thats what is happening now. There are three modes of a human mind according to Gita. The mode of ignorance (tamo guna), mode of materialistic desires (rajo guna), mode of goodness (satva guna). The good qualities of truth, compassion, cleanliness and control over mind, are possible only when the person is in mode of goodness or satva guna. So the Gita condemns those foods which make the person go into modes of material desires and ignorance. And non-veg food pushes a person into mode of material desires, similar is the effect of stimulants like onion and garlic. And potatoes are rich in energy, which also pushes one into mode of desire, so they condemn that also. However there are other foods which are condemned too, but I am not aware of, I am still in the process of learning. So, then on the "brahmans" started practicing vegeterianism, since they wanted to get into mode of goodness. The rishis were the "researchers" of those times and they used to create knowledge about various aspects of life and universe. And the brahmans were the mediators who were the information portals for the people to guide them in their ways of life, and they started to preach vegeterianism.
There were rishis who understood the need for certain group of people to be stronger physically and be more desirous, like, as Maharishi Bharadwaj says in his Vaimanika Shastra (Science of Aeronautics), that the pilot should consume meat to gain resistance and energy. And the boatsmen or those people who were working for other aspects in the world, needed immense energy which they could derive from non-veg food. But again, they did not eat beef, and the reason is something which I am not fully aware of, but certainly its like, cow is the mother whose milk we all drink, and we are going to kill our own mother. But buddhism and jainism sprang up, and they preached few things to the masses from scriptures but without reason, which appealed so much that they started following what buddhism and jainism preached. So vegeterianism spread like forest fire. Although the ancient people did know the reason why scriptures condemned non-veg, and then Shankaracharya, Ramanujacharya, Madhwacharya started core vedic philosophies again. This was mainly in southern India, but spread across the whole land later on, and the exact reasonings were brought out. But once our country got into the era of darkness during muslim and British invasion, they lost the whole way of life they had evolved out. And the period of superstitions started. But the strong effect of previously prevalent way of life or traditions was so strong, that people followed them without questioning, and that is why, now people only say that "my religion says not to eat non-veg".
Now on the personal side, all my close friends know me as a hogger of non-veg food. But, I have shocked them and may be this will be a shock to many, to know that I have quit eating meat and also eggs after I came to the USA. I stopped non-veg last september and stopped eggs in this may. Although, initially the only reason I gave to myself was non-veg was not good for my health and I wanted to control my mind. But when I started realising the effect of quitting non-veg, I started realising the kind of effect non-veg had on me. It is very difficult to express here, but in short, I felt "awakened" after I quit. Basically it is an experiment. I don't urge anyone to stop eating non-veg, but certainly I would suggest them to experiment. Not only about quitting non-veg, but also quitting something which they like the most. This will trigger the control over mind, and one will feel happy when he will strive to renounce something which he likes a lot. And when we want move closer to god or closer to good qualities of truth, cleanliness, compassion and control over mind, the first step is to control our habits and make our lives disciplined. This was very much prevalent in ancient India or even now. There are some sweets which are made only during some festivals, and during other days, inspite of we liking them so much, they are not made. This is just to keep once mind in control.
I guess I have said a lot, but trust me, experimenting with our own habits will show us new directions and knowledge will be revealed.
should have read this before we set off to Devon. Good luck !!
Hi I would slightly disagree with Harish on this. The guru who said do not eat non-veg for its a sin if u do so, must have meant it for ppl who r scared by all this paap-punya thing. And again all this holy unholy thing is meant to bring people into a circle which propagated the scientifically and habitwise correct things, may be by marginalising them with this. In present day context this would seem grossly inappropriate, but it was true in those times.But all this has been twisted to suit a community's needs, unfortunately , like every other ancient belief in this country .
I would choose to be a veggie not bcos my religion or community wud demand so, but after weighing the facts and deciding for myself. And I think its not correct to speak about the history of our sages who supposedly ate meat, knowing that all this history preached in schools is a left over of the British system,who for their own benefit thrust so many wrong things upon us including such twisted foolish facts. How can we benchmark? Hope you agree.I believe all of us wud agree on one fact that, a rishi performed religious rituals and his routine did not demand rigurous physical work , thus he would not naturally by his conscience choose to eat non-veg. I am not referring to the pseudo rishis again. And again you cannot consider these exceptions as examples which are probably twisted. Non veg which has been proven to be a healthier food, is right according to me. Again all this 'you kill a plant' serves only as a logical point and nothing beyond that. I hope you are aware of Parvati's story who got messed up with all this, at the end choosing to eat only dry leaves fallen from the trees. Again that would be considered as the food for microorganisms, thus deciding to survive on air. Then she was consoled by Shiva to eat Veg. We have to note one thing that plants have the natural ability to regenerate themselves even when a part of their body is cut,as against an animal. And it is also taken care that plant is allowed to attain a certain stage whereby it can reproduce by itself before cutting it for food. Finally something our favorite frame of reference nothing as pragmatic as this in today's world ; 'Science', has to say. There is something called as Ecological footprint, which is a number representing the amount of area in hectares on earth, which is required for a human being for his basic survival. We can know our Ecological FP on this site http://myfootprint.org. This clearly shows that, how much a human being owes to earth in order to ensure his survival. I require 1.5 times earths to ensure my survival!! which means we are short of area. And the people who have invented this, have also come out with this observation that being a non-veggie requires more area than a Veggie. For a veggie its 1000hectares and for a non veggie its 50000 hectares!!I could talk about the cruelty towards the animals in farms, but there is enough heart wrenching stuff on net which would make us shudder enough before we eat meat. And if you say that meat is tastier, you would equally agree to the fact that meat in itself is bland, and the spices which are added to make it tasty are again plant derivatives. There is no hard feelings against ppl who eat non veg, no sense of 'stay away' whatsoever intended. Thanks!!
Here is another valid reason for being a vegetarian: ecological (or environmental, if you prefer). The lower you are on the food chain the fewer resourses you actually consume. It takes more resourse to raise a cow (which is fed with the corn) than the corn to feed the humans that cow would feed.
Hi there,
Sorry for commenting so late (you posted it on Aug 2006). I read it today… ;-). You dint update your blog lately... boy you are lazy!
Nice write-up. Lot of questions here. Let me try to answer some of them, since I am a vegetarian myself.
India being advanced in science has nothing to do with its religious concepts and faith does it? There is no link. For examples two countries which are very much advanced technology (during world war) turn out to be having only butchers.
I feel you have considered only religious aspects of vegetarianism in the post. There are several other reasons why a person is a vegetarian or a vegan.
About “Even people who eat meat strictly cook only vegetarian food during special poojas and festivals” …
World is filled with people who got blackmailed with their religious rules. Its not the mentality which is supposed to be blamed. Its religion. Let me ask one simple question how many non-vegetarian Indians eat beef? Most of them... Right? Because they want religion/faith and they want tasty food also. They don’t want to compromise in either of them. It’s a perfect trade off which is running in they food habit. Now if you blame vegetarians for not having meat for religious reasons, Why not blast non-vegetarians for not giving a sensible reason for not eating some kind of meat. Is ti possible to define “selective non-vegetarianism “.
Lot to talk about it.
I have written something about the same... You might be interested http://bachodi.wordpress.com/2006/09/13/vegitarians/
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